Cyberchurch Is Not a Solution

Cyberchurch, or online Christian fellowship, has all the drawbacks of any other form of church.  I won’t repeat the rationale I gave in yesterday’s post about house churches, but I will build upon it.

The central problem is trying to be a church, as if that was something God wanted in this age.  This is the age of the kingdom of God, and church is no more necessary than is Solomon’s temple, Moses’ tabernacle, or Noah’s ark.  Those were all preliminary structures built with human hands.  The kingdom of God is entirely of His spirit and we simply submit to it – we don’t have to build it or maintain it.

There is, of course, nothing wrong with communicating with others about Jesus – whether online or in person.  In fact, it’s a wonderful thing!  Would that all human beings acknowledged Jesus in every conversation.  Trouble begins, however, when we seek to affiliate with others, identify with a group or a leader – in other words, when we try to be a church or a religion.  This trouble stems from the act of separating ourselves and creating some kind of group identity.  Such factions put walls between ourselves and our fellow human beings.  This does not advance God’s kingdom.

Organized religion never advances God’s kingdom.  It only advances some human agenda.  And it’s the organizing that is the root of the problem.  If you’re trying to organize God’s people, know that you’re off track.  He used human help under the old covenant in Israel and the church.  But under the new covenant (that is, the kingdom of God) He has no need of human help to organize His people.

There is one human race, and one God and Father over it all: Jesus Christ our Lord.  To Him – and Him alone – be the allegiance!

Bible notes on this post.

The purpose of this blog is to proclaim Jesus to those who want to hear about Him without having to join a group.

10 Replies to “Cyberchurch Is Not a Solution”

  1. on-line fellowship breaks down rather quickly.

    may God grant us an understanding of ekklesia & sunagoge that is not factious or sectarian; one Body, one Faith, one Lord: Jesus Christ.

    1. Your web site looks like the very thing I’m trying to discourage in this post.

      If you want to promote the Lord, then encourage people to join Him…and be done with trying to get them to join groups.

      1. Mike, your presumption here should be dismissed. There is no effort by me to have someone join any group.
        All is Christ. There is nothing else to “join”.

        Are you a stumbling upon the expression of His Body?
        We ought discern His Body, rather than to deny it.

        1. Mike, your presumption here should be dismissed. There is no effort by me to have someone join any group.
          All is Christ. There is nothing else to “join”.

          I want to believe you, but your web site promotes alternative church forms such as house churches. The problem of church is not the form, it’s the idea of holding church at all in the kingdom age. It’s long past time to seek the King and His kingdom instead of church. People may need teaching in order to do that. You seem to provide such on your site, and for that I commend you. But when you tell them they need to get baptized and find a house church, we part company.

          Are you a stumbling upon the expression of His Body?
          We ought discern His Body, rather than to deny it.

          We are commanded in Scripture to seek Him, not each other.

          1. Mike, if you wish to do away with a sinful man’s sincere appeal to God for a clean conscience, pray tell why?

            Yes, forms can be transitional; can be means in our journey toward the Kingdom of God. Toward recognizing the Kingdom (for some) is much to identify everything it is not?

            today, do you recognize Christ in you, the hope of glory?
            [Colossians 1:27]

            “not each other”, but Christ in us; for we have died and our life is hidden with Christ in God.
            [Colossians 3:3]

            The King is holding court, which may be understood as ekklesia. His presence with members of His Body. Gathering together (rather than scattering) by this is in seeking Him (together). There is no need to ask anyone to join a “house church” or any other form for Christ to be expressed in this way.
            Throughout false religion, meetings & gatherings are built in those attending; upon forms and patterns.

            1. Mike, if you wish to do away with a sinful man’s sincere appeal to God for a clean conscience, pray tell why?

              I don’t know what I said to make you think I would wish to do away with this.  On the contrary, I would that every single one of us make a constant and sincere appeal to God for a clean conscience.

              Yes, forms can be transitional; can be means in our journey toward the Kingdom of God. Toward recognizing the Kingdom (for some) is much to identify everything it is not?

              I’m sorry, but I don’t understand what you are saying here.

              today, do you recognize Christ in you, the hope of glory?
              [Colossians 1:27]

              I recognize Christ in every person.

              “not each other”, but Christ in us; for we have died and our life is hidden with Christ in God.
              [Colossians 3:3]

              Here again, I do not follow what you are trying to say.

              The King is holding court, which may be understood as ekklesia. His presence with members of His Body.

              I like this image.  Yes, He is holding court and we are to come to Him daily.

              Gathering together (rather than scattering) by this is in seeking Him (together).

              If we come to Him, we are, in that act, gathered and not scattered.  “The Lord knows those who are His.”  We do not need to gather to each other in order to gather to Him.

              There is no need to ask anyone to join a “house church” or any other form for Christ to be expressed in this way.

              I am very glad to hear you say this.

              Throughout false religion, meetings & gatherings are built in those attending; upon forms and patterns.

              This is another case where I am not sure of what you are trying to say.

              1. Mike,
                Everyman who willfully/intently sins thereby demonstrates his rebellion against the Almighty God. Let us once for all bring an end to our rebellion; repent and make our request/appeal to God for a clean/clear conscience. If He should grant our appeal, then our conscience be washed clean for the guilt of former sins.
                [Romans 6:10-12; I Peter 3]
                Thereafter, if we happen upon to stumble, confession will follow. There is a grand difference between a man tripping or stumbling, and for one who has turned away as a rebel.
                [I John 1:9]

                If/as Christ is in you, when you and I are together, it is not [no longer] Mike & Marshall gathered together. Therefore, “Do not neglect/dissuade the gathering together [of the scattered].”
                2 or more in the same physical location need not be groupish, a clique; neither sectarian.
                While there be no need to “promote” gatherings, there’s also no call to squelch ekklesia or sunagoge.
                Yes, I am with you in spirit there. Yet, it would be gnostics who painfully divide spirit from material body, thereby dismembering souls.

  2. Hi Mike

    Just was thinking… In the Old Testament Israel went from a Theocracy to a Monarchy when they wanted kings like all the other nations. Isn’t the believers relationship to God after the comming of Christ kind of like a reinstated Theocracy again, rather than a burocracy, dictatorship, or other form of “church” government. I’m not talking of an earthly relationship disregarding government, but if we look at what Christ has called us to, it is HIMSELF, not some earthly institutional government.

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